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策略师:AI并非单一泡沫,而是一连串“此起彼伏的泡沫”

Nick Lichtenberg
2026-08-23

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达瓦尔·乔希认为,讨论AI是不是泡沫,本身就是一个错误的问题。真正的问题是:今天破裂的是哪一个AI泡沫?

乔希此前一直是伦敦BCA Research旗下Counterpoint部门的首席策略师。他对AI交易的一系列逆向、结构性判断为他赢得声誉。一周前,他在LinkedIn发文,重新定义了“AI是不是泡沫”的争论。

在他看来,AI热潮并非传统意义上的单一巨大泡沫,即不断膨胀,最终轰然破裂。相反,这是一个个泡沫快速膨胀又破裂、此起彼伏的过程。投资者不断误判究竟哪些公司或领域能够真正变现AI的价值,随后又不断修正判断。Artificial Genius总裁保罗·伯查德在评论区中问乔希,AI是否类似17世纪荷兰那场臭名昭著的郁金香泡沫。毕竟,当年的投机热潮也是从稀有郁金香球茎一路蔓延到郁金香期货。

乔希回应称,AI泡沫正在不同领域间轮番出现,涉及的远不只是那株象征性的“郁金香”。这一观点或许可以解释软件即服务(SaaS)行业出现的“SaaS末日”恐慌,以及白银和半导体股票的剧烈波动。但这是否只是市场在发挥其应有作用——价格发现?

此起彼伏的泡沫

乔希制作了一张图表,展示了这场泡沫如何在不同领域轮番出现:软件股先因AI被视为生产力工具而上涨;随后,投资者意识到AI智能体正在冲击SaaS订阅模式本身,软件股又大幅下跌。“于是,软件行业从繁荣走向衰退。”

白银也经历了类似的暴涨暴跌。白银被视为高耗电数据中心的最佳导电材料,银价一度飙升。但乔希表示:“然而,市场重新评估后发现,市面上还有其他优良导体,这一点不足以支撑银价涨至原先近三倍的水平。”

随后轮到半导体。投资者一度认为芯片制造商拥有近乎无限的定价能力,推动半导体股上涨。但乔希认为,投资者正在意识到,芯片制造商的高额利润并没有坚固的“护城河”。他预测:“随着供需最终回归平衡,天文数字般的超高利润率必将回归理性。因此,半导体板块的繁荣正在消退,且仍有进一步下行空间。”

乔希在接受《财富》杂志采访时表示,他与前同事、BCA Research的彼得·贝雷津观点略有不同。贝雷津认为市场正处于“盈利泡沫”之中;乔希则认为,更准确的说法是“利润率泡沫”。问题并不在于当前的盈利水平无法支撑股价或市盈率,而在于“市场终于开始追问:‘盈利水平为何居高不下?’答案是企业当下极高的利润率,但这种高利润率能否长期维系?这才是核心疑问。”

一个显而易见的反驳是,这不过是正常的价格发现过程:市场先验证一种投资逻辑,发现它站不住脚,然后进行修正。但乔希认为,区别就在于波动的幅度。银价一度上涨至原来的近三倍,涨幅远超任何合理的基本面所能解释的程度。乔希表示:“如果你能在几周或几个月内赚得盆满钵满,关键是随后又能以同等甚至更快的速度全部亏掉,那么这就构成了一个‘泡沫’。”在他看来,市场正常重新判断赢家和输家的过程,不应该在“幅度与速度”上如此极端。

与其说这是市场在重新评估基本面,不如说某种投资叙事像狂热情绪一样在短时间内迅速蔓延,随后又转向另一个领域。白银的案例也说明,这种资金错配并不局限于股票市场。

乔希对《财富》杂志表示:“我们现在所做的,是根据当下掌握的信息,预判哪些迅速膨胀的资产价格可能面临同样迅速的回落。”

至少目前而言,好消息是,这些泡沫呈现出轮番膨胀的周期性特征,迄今尚未引发不同资产的同时抛售。但乔希的问题是:在这一连串此起彼伏的泡沫中,下一个轮到的投资标的会是什么?

所有人都认同存在过度支出

对于泡沫风险,乔希的担忧绝非孤例。就连被誉为“华尔街之王”的杰米·戴蒙也多次对估值过高表示担忧,美国银行研究部(Bank of America Research)的全球基金经理调查更将“AI股票泡沫”列为最大尾部风险。甚至OpenAI首席执行官萨姆·奥尔特曼、高盛(Goldman Sachs)首席执行官苏德巍和亚马逊(Amazon)创始人杰夫·贝索斯也承认,市场确实出现了泡沫迹象。但人们原本以为泡沫会在2025年破裂,结果AI热潮却一直延续至今。

最新财报季让市场重新审视超大规模云服务商的自由现金流问题。巨额资本支出正不断吞噬这些公司的自由现金流,谷歌(Google)更是迎来历史上首次自由现金流为负。路透社7月底测算,按照当前趋势,到2027年,微软(Microsoft)、Alphabet、亚马逊、Meta和甲骨文(Oracle)的资本支出将超过自由现金流。因此,现在争论的重点已不再是这些公司是否存在过度支出,而是这种过度支出是否合理。

乔希的前东家BCA Research释放出了矛盾的信号。该机构5月上调股票评级,理由是AI资本支出已经成为推动市场上行的主导力量。不过,BCA策略师胡安·科雷亚同时警告称:“我们认为,AI相关股票可能正处于一轮猛烈冲顶行情的早期阶段。”

乔希将AI相关资产拆解为一连串先后出现的泡沫,解释了为什么任何一次与AI有关的抛售,都未引发市场崩盘。他还提出了一套可反复验证的判断框架,每当新的潜在泡沫出现时,都可以用它来检验。当《财富》杂志问及AI资本支出何时见顶时,乔希表示,最可能是在2026年末或2027年上半年。谈到企业盈利的超额回报时,他认为,这些利润建立在“高得离谱且不可持续的超高利润率”之上。不过,如果利润率能在不损害利润的情况下回归正常水平,他也愿意修正自己的观点。

乔希对《财富》杂志表示,高度宽松的货币政策是任何泡沫形成的重要条件,因此,一大风险就是货币政策收紧。届时,“资金不会只是依次流向下一个泡沫,而是会彻底撤出风险资产”。当被问及什么因素可能让这一连串泡沫同时破裂时,乔希列出了三种可能打破这一模式的情形:实际利率和/或实际债券收益率大幅上升;资本支出周期急剧逆转;或者爆发“一场并不温和的经济衰退”。

此外,他还在关注第四种风险,即市场缺乏他所谓的“复杂性”。乔希借鉴著名数学家伯努瓦·曼德尔布罗特对复杂适应系统的研究,构建了一项衡量市场“复杂性”的指标。曼德尔布罗特曾将这些原理用于研究花椰菜和河流流域,乔希则将其应用于金融时间序列分析。他解释称,较高的复杂性能够形成一种均衡状态。

隐藏在这一连串泡沫背后的一个更深层问题是:像AI这样的通用技术,最终究竟由谁获得它所创造的价值?乔希提出了三种发展情景。

第一种是Web 2.0模式。电商领域的亚马逊、搜索领域的谷歌等真正拥有“护城河”的企业,可以凭借赢家通吃的网络效应攫取大部分价值,并维持较高的利润率。

第二种是“超级个体”。例如,顶尖律师或咨询顾问借助AI大幅压缩人员成本,同时提供高质量的专业服务,从而将更多收入收入囊中。

第三种是竞争“异常激烈”,以至于所有企业都无力维持高利润率,“最终赢家只有普通消费者,因为价格会大幅下降”。乔希表示,这可能是这一连串泡沫最终收场的一种方式。他解释称,眼下看似此起彼伏的泡沫,背后其实是一股规模庞大的资本洪流。在一个个“护城河”被证明难以维系之后,这些资金不断寻找下一个去处。

乔希在另一篇帖子中发现了一个可能的候选者:一款已有20年历史、接近淘汰的DDR3内存芯片。该芯片价格不到一年已暴涨600%。他表示:“这么说吧,这就好比花5万美元买一辆破旧的2007款丰田卡罗拉(Toyota Corolla)!”

乔希对《财富》杂志表示,他也不确定这一连串泡沫接下来会花落何处:“这可是个价值百万美元的问题!”他指出,加密货币迄今没有参与这轮行情,这一点非常反常,“但如果AI和区块链能够产生某种协同效应,那么加密货币可能成为下一个泡沫标的。”与此同时,对于足够敏锐、能抓住每一轮行情的投资者来说,这一连串泡沫也创造了乔希所谓的“可交易机会”。他表示:“任何在短时间内出现极端暴涨行情的资产,都可能成为泡沫标的。”关键在于时刻留意市场动向,判断下一个正在膨胀的投资叙事是什么,以及哪一道曾经坚不可摧的“护城河”终将崩塌。(财富中文网)

译者:刘进龙

审校:汪皓

达瓦尔·乔希认为,讨论AI是不是泡沫,本身就是一个错误的问题。真正的问题是:今天破裂的是哪一个AI泡沫?

乔希此前一直是伦敦BCA Research旗下Counterpoint部门的首席策略师。他对AI交易的一系列逆向、结构性判断为他赢得声誉。一周前,他在LinkedIn发文,重新定义了“AI是不是泡沫”的争论。

在他看来,AI热潮并非传统意义上的单一巨大泡沫,即不断膨胀,最终轰然破裂。相反,这是一个个泡沫快速膨胀又破裂、此起彼伏的过程。投资者不断误判究竟哪些公司或领域能够真正变现AI的价值,随后又不断修正判断。Artificial Genius总裁保罗·伯查德在评论区中问乔希,AI是否类似17世纪荷兰那场臭名昭著的郁金香泡沫。毕竟,当年的投机热潮也是从稀有郁金香球茎一路蔓延到郁金香期货。

乔希回应称,AI泡沫正在不同领域间轮番出现,涉及的远不只是那株象征性的“郁金香”。这一观点或许可以解释软件即服务(SaaS)行业出现的“SaaS末日”恐慌,以及白银和半导体股票的剧烈波动。但这是否只是市场在发挥其应有作用——价格发现?

此起彼伏的泡沫

乔希制作了一张图表,展示了这场泡沫如何在不同领域轮番出现:软件股先因AI被视为生产力工具而上涨;随后,投资者意识到AI智能体正在冲击SaaS订阅模式本身,软件股又大幅下跌。“于是,软件行业从繁荣走向衰退。”

白银也经历了类似的暴涨暴跌。白银被视为高耗电数据中心的最佳导电材料,银价一度飙升。但乔希表示:“然而,市场重新评估后发现,市面上还有其他优良导体,这一点不足以支撑银价涨至原先近三倍的水平。”

随后轮到半导体。投资者一度认为芯片制造商拥有近乎无限的定价能力,推动半导体股上涨。但乔希认为,投资者正在意识到,芯片制造商的高额利润并没有坚固的“护城河”。他预测:“随着供需最终回归平衡,天文数字般的超高利润率必将回归理性。因此,半导体板块的繁荣正在消退,且仍有进一步下行空间。”

乔希在接受《财富》杂志采访时表示,他与前同事、BCA Research的彼得·贝雷津观点略有不同。贝雷津认为市场正处于“盈利泡沫”之中;乔希则认为,更准确的说法是“利润率泡沫”。问题并不在于当前的盈利水平无法支撑股价或市盈率,而在于“市场终于开始追问:‘盈利水平为何居高不下?’答案是企业当下极高的利润率,但这种高利润率能否长期维系?这才是核心疑问。”

一个显而易见的反驳是,这不过是正常的价格发现过程:市场先验证一种投资逻辑,发现它站不住脚,然后进行修正。但乔希认为,区别就在于波动的幅度。银价一度上涨至原来的近三倍,涨幅远超任何合理的基本面所能解释的程度。乔希表示:“如果你能在几周或几个月内赚得盆满钵满,关键是随后又能以同等甚至更快的速度全部亏掉,那么这就构成了一个‘泡沫’。”在他看来,市场正常重新判断赢家和输家的过程,不应该在“幅度与速度”上如此极端。

与其说这是市场在重新评估基本面,不如说某种投资叙事像狂热情绪一样在短时间内迅速蔓延,随后又转向另一个领域。白银的案例也说明,这种资金错配并不局限于股票市场。

乔希对《财富》杂志表示:“我们现在所做的,是根据当下掌握的信息,预判哪些迅速膨胀的资产价格可能面临同样迅速的回落。”

至少目前而言,好消息是,这些泡沫呈现出轮番膨胀的周期性特征,迄今尚未引发不同资产的同时抛售。但乔希的问题是:在这一连串此起彼伏的泡沫中,下一个轮到的投资标的会是什么?

所有人都认同存在过度支出

对于泡沫风险,乔希的担忧绝非孤例。就连被誉为“华尔街之王”的杰米·戴蒙也多次对估值过高表示担忧,美国银行研究部(Bank of America Research)的全球基金经理调查更将“AI股票泡沫”列为最大尾部风险。甚至OpenAI首席执行官萨姆·奥尔特曼、高盛(Goldman Sachs)首席执行官苏德巍和亚马逊(Amazon)创始人杰夫·贝索斯也承认,市场确实出现了泡沫迹象。但人们原本以为泡沫会在2025年破裂,结果AI热潮却一直延续至今。

最新财报季让市场重新审视超大规模云服务商的自由现金流问题。巨额资本支出正不断吞噬这些公司的自由现金流,谷歌(Google)更是迎来历史上首次自由现金流为负。路透社7月底测算,按照当前趋势,到2027年,微软(Microsoft)、Alphabet、亚马逊、Meta和甲骨文(Oracle)的资本支出将超过自由现金流。因此,现在争论的重点已不再是这些公司是否存在过度支出,而是这种过度支出是否合理。

乔希的前东家BCA Research释放出了矛盾的信号。该机构5月上调股票评级,理由是AI资本支出已经成为推动市场上行的主导力量。不过,BCA策略师胡安·科雷亚同时警告称:“我们认为,AI相关股票可能正处于一轮猛烈冲顶行情的早期阶段。”

乔希将AI相关资产拆解为一连串先后出现的泡沫,解释了为什么任何一次与AI有关的抛售,都未引发市场崩盘。他还提出了一套可反复验证的判断框架,每当新的潜在泡沫出现时,都可以用它来检验。当《财富》杂志问及AI资本支出何时见顶时,乔希表示,最可能是在2026年末或2027年上半年。谈到企业盈利的超额回报时,他认为,这些利润建立在“高得离谱且不可持续的超高利润率”之上。不过,如果利润率能在不损害利润的情况下回归正常水平,他也愿意修正自己的观点。

乔希对《财富》杂志表示,高度宽松的货币政策是任何泡沫形成的重要条件,因此,一大风险就是货币政策收紧。届时,“资金不会只是依次流向下一个泡沫,而是会彻底撤出风险资产”。当被问及什么因素可能让这一连串泡沫同时破裂时,乔希列出了三种可能打破这一模式的情形:实际利率和/或实际债券收益率大幅上升;资本支出周期急剧逆转;或者爆发“一场并不温和的经济衰退”。

此外,他还在关注第四种风险,即市场缺乏他所谓的“复杂性”。乔希借鉴著名数学家伯努瓦·曼德尔布罗特对复杂适应系统的研究,构建了一项衡量市场“复杂性”的指标。曼德尔布罗特曾将这些原理用于研究花椰菜和河流流域,乔希则将其应用于金融时间序列分析。他解释称,较高的复杂性能够形成一种均衡状态。

隐藏在这一连串泡沫背后的一个更深层问题是:像AI这样的通用技术,最终究竟由谁获得它所创造的价值?乔希提出了三种发展情景。

第一种是Web 2.0模式。电商领域的亚马逊、搜索领域的谷歌等真正拥有“护城河”的企业,可以凭借赢家通吃的网络效应攫取大部分价值,并维持较高的利润率。

第二种是“超级个体”。例如,顶尖律师或咨询顾问借助AI大幅压缩人员成本,同时提供高质量的专业服务,从而将更多收入收入囊中。

第三种是竞争“异常激烈”,以至于所有企业都无力维持高利润率,“最终赢家只有普通消费者,因为价格会大幅下降”。乔希表示,这可能是这一连串泡沫最终收场的一种方式。他解释称,眼下看似此起彼伏的泡沫,背后其实是一股规模庞大的资本洪流。在一个个“护城河”被证明难以维系之后,这些资金不断寻找下一个去处。

乔希在另一篇帖子中发现了一个可能的候选者:一款已有20年历史、接近淘汰的DDR3内存芯片。该芯片价格不到一年已暴涨600%。他表示:“这么说吧,这就好比花5万美元买一辆破旧的2007款丰田卡罗拉(Toyota Corolla)!”

乔希对《财富》杂志表示,他也不确定这一连串泡沫接下来会花落何处:“这可是个价值百万美元的问题!”他指出,加密货币迄今没有参与这轮行情,这一点非常反常,“但如果AI和区块链能够产生某种协同效应,那么加密货币可能成为下一个泡沫标的。”与此同时,对于足够敏锐、能抓住每一轮行情的投资者来说,这一连串泡沫也创造了乔希所谓的“可交易机会”。他表示:“任何在短时间内出现极端暴涨行情的资产,都可能成为泡沫标的。”关键在于时刻留意市场动向,判断下一个正在膨胀的投资叙事是什么,以及哪一道曾经坚不可摧的“护城河”终将崩塌。(财富中文网)

译者:刘进龙

审校:汪皓

The question of whether AI is a bubble is the wrong one, Dhaval Joshi argues. The right question is: which AI bubble is popping today?

Joshi, until recently the chief strategist for Counterpoint at London’s BCA Research, has been building a reputation for contrarian, structurally minded calls on the AI trade. A week ago, he reframed the entire “is AI a bubble debate” itself, writing on LinkedIn.

Rather than your classic idea of one giant bubble building until it implodes, this is rather a rapid-fire sequence of bubbles popping and inflating in a rolling pattern. Investors are misjudging, and then correcting, who or what will actually capture AI’s value. One commenter, Artificial Genius President Paul Burchard, asked Joshi whether AI is like the infamous tulip bubble of the Netherlands in the 17th century. After all, that bubble rolled through rare bulbs into tulip futures.

Joshi responded that the AI bubble is rolling through sectors beyond the proverbial tulip. It would explain the “SaaSpocalypse” in the software-as-a-service sector, as well as volatility in silver and semiconductor stocks. But is this just the market doing what it’s supposed to do, namely price discovery?

The rolling hills of bubbles

Joshi produced a chart showing that software stocks rallied on the idea that AI would be a productivity tool, then crashed as investors realized AI agents were threatening the SaaS subscription model itself. “So, the software boom turned to bust.”

Silver also had a boom and bust. Prices spiked as the metal is seen as the best electrical conductor for power-hungry data centers: “On reassessment however, this could not justify a near trebling of the silver price when there are other good conductors.”

Semiconductors then rose on the idea of seemingly limitless pricing power for chipmakers, but Joshi argued that investors are realizing that chipmakers don’t have “moats” around their profits. He offered a prediction: “Astronomical margins will crash back to earth when demand and supply equilibrate, as they ultimately must. So, the semis boom is unwinding – though has further to go.”

In an interview with Fortune, Joshi said he slightly disagreed with his former colleague, BCA’s Peter Berezin, that the market is in an earnings bubble, calling it more of a “profit margin bubble” instead. It’s not that earnings are unjustified by price or the P/E, price-to-earnings ratio, but now “the market is finally saying, ‘How is the E high?’ Because you’ve got very high margins, but can you maintain those margins?”

The obvious counter is that this is simply price discovery: markets testing a thesis, finding it wrong, and correcting. The amplitude is the difference here — a near tripling of silver overshoots any plausible fundamental by an order of magnitude. “If you can make a fortune in a matter of weeks or months, and, crucially, then lose it all just as quickly or even quicker,” Joshi said, “then that constitutes a ‘bubble.'” In his view, the market’s normal reassessment of winners and losers should not be so extreme in “magnitude and rapidity.”

Rather than fundamental reassessment, some kind of narrative contagion is setting in briefly, like a mania, before rolling off to somewhere else. And the silver example also shows that this misallocation isn’t just in equity markets.

“In real time, we are making educated guesses about which rapid inflations are at risk of rapid deflation,” Joshi told Fortune.

The good news, for now, is the cyclical nature of the reinflation, which has prevented a correlated selloff so far. But what investment, he asked — if any — will come next in the rolling sequence?

Everyone agrees overspending is happening

Joshi is far from a lonely voice on bubble risk, as the mayor of Wall Street himself — Jamie Dimon — has repeatedly voiced concerns over elevated valuations, while Bank of America Research’s Global Fund Manager survey has named “AI equity bubble” as the top tail risk. Even OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as well as Goldman Sachs CEO David Solomon and Amazon founder Jeff Bezos have conceded that something bubbly is going on. But the bubble was supposed to pop in 2025 and yet has kept going.

The latest earnings season changed the conversation with regard to hyperscaler free cash flow, which is being eaten by capital expenditure, with Google even going free cash flow negative for the first time in its history. Reuters calculated in late July that Microsoft, Alphabet, Amazon, Meta and Oracle were on pace for capex to overtake free cash flow by 2027. The debate is not so much about whether overspending is occurring, but whether the overspending is rational.

Joshi’s former firm, BCA Research, has sent mixed signals, upgrading equities in May on the logic that AI capital expenditure is the dominant force driving markets forward, though BCA strategist Juan Correa warned “We suspect that we could be in the early innings of a violent blow-off rally in AI-related stocks.”

Joshi is disaggregating the AI asset class into a sequence, explaining why no single AI-linked selloff has triggered a market crash. He also offers a testable, repeatably pattern that can be checked against new candidates as they emerge. When Fortune asked Joshi what the peak of AI capex would be, he responded it would most likely be late 2026 or the first half of 2027. Regarding outsized returns in earnings, he said those profits are premised on “stratospheric and unsustainable profit margins,” but he was open to changing his mind if those profit margins normalized without hurting profits.

Highly accommodative monetary policy is a major condition for any bubble, the strategist told Fortune, so a major risk would be a tightening in that area — “rather than capital just sequencing into the next bubble, it would exit risky assets entirely.” When asked what could unravel the entire sequence at once, he said three things could break the pattern: if real interest rates and/or real bond yields rose sharply, if the capex cycle unwinds very sharply, or if “a non-mild recession” hits.

He also tracks a fourth risk: a lack of what he calls market “complexity,” a metric he built by adapting the famous mathematician Benoit Mandelbrot‘s research into complex adaptive systems. Where Mandelbrot applied these principles to cauliflowers and river basins, Joshi applied them to financial time series, explaining that high complexity creates of equilibrium.

The deeper question underneath the rolling sequence is who, ultimately, captures the value of a general purpose technology like AI. Joshi laid out three scenarios.

The first is the web 2.0 model: corporations with genuine moats, like Amazon in ecommerce or Google in search, which capture everything because winner-takes-all network effects let them sustain margins.

The second is the superstar individual: a top lawyer or consultant who uses AI to collapse their own staff costs while maintaining premium-quality output, pocketing the revenue.

The third is “massive competition” so intense that nobody can hold margins, and “the winner is just the general consumer, because prices collapse.” That is one way the rolling sequence of bubbles could conclude, he said, explaining that what looks like rolling hills are really a giant wall of capital looking for somewhere to go after exhausting moats, one by one.

In a separate post, Joshi found one possible candidate: a 20-year-old, near-obsolete memory chp called DDR3 RAM. It has surged 600% in less than a year. “To put that into perspective, it would be like paying $50,000 for a beaten-up 2007 Toyota Corolla!”

Joshi told Fortune he wasn’t sure what the next rolling bubble sequence would be: “That’s the million-dollar question!” He noted it was very unusual how crypto has not participated so far, “but if AI and blockchains can produce some synergies, then crypto could be a candidate.” In the meantime, this rolling sequence has created what he calls “playable segments” for investors nimble enough to catch each move. “Anything that’s moved up very, very sharply in a short space of time is a candidate,” he said. The discipline is keeping your ears to the ground for what narrative is inflating next — and which moat turns out to be all dried up.

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